Federal Member for Page Kevin Hogan sat down for a chat this week in the latest Talking Lismore Podcast.Mr Hogan discusses the Coalition's huge loss in May's Federal Election. Of course, for the National Party, the result was a status quo, as they didn't lose any seats in such a poor Coalition result.The big losses for the Coalition were in the cities around the country, not the regional areas, which led Mr Hogan to say he is very conscious of a divide between the country and the cities.Back in 2007, Kevin Rudd also won with a large majority, but seats like Dawson, Flynn and Capricornia in Queensland, and even Page in NSW (won by Janelle Saffin) were held by the National Party in this latest rout."So, what that's telling me is there's something very different going on in the cities than what there are in the country. Because if you've gone back to say 2013 and go, Well, okay, you've just lost all those seats, but you're going to win by the same margin in 2025, they go, and everyone would pen those seats in, right? But they're winning seats in the cities that they've never won before. And so there's a real country-city thing happening, which is quite interesting," Mr Hogan said.When asked what this divide is, Mr Hogan replied, "I'm not sure if I know the answer to it, but let's, let's pick up one issue. So, if we were to talk, and it's a really controversial issue, the rollout of the renewables. In the cities, that all sounds like a great idea, right? Okay, we we think there's some question marks about reliability and baseload power, but let's not touch that one right now. Let's just talk about that we need 60 million solar panels to be built in Australia to reach the target that Labor is setting us for renewables, we need 17,000 wind turbines to reach that. Guess where they're all being built? Right? They're all being built in regional Australia, which is causing a lot of issues in the regions.""Whether it be the offshore ones, which people are concerned about for different tourism reasons and coastal reasons and stuff and whale migration and other things, to losing agricultural land and to the poles and wires that have to be built in the transmission system through some pristine native forests and farmland. All these issues are regional."Mr Hogan has a theory that sitting in the centre right politically is now counter-culture."What do I mean by counter-culture? You're not supported by mainstream. It's almost like being the hippie of the '60s, right? If you're the hippie of the '60s, you were counter-culture. You were pushing something that wasn't mainstream beliefs or mainstream values."Why do I say that centre right is not mainstream values anymore? Well, let's take some of the really important institutions in our country, right? The public service, left wing. I mean, look how they vote. Look at Canberra, solidly left-wing. Mainstream bureaucracy are left-wing. The media, with respect to yourself, with my experience, I would say 70% of the media are left-wing. And I think journalism has gone a bit that way. It's more of an activist thing than putting your own point of view. Everything's editorial rather than objective reporting."The education system. Show me a right-wing academic. Show me an academic from a university, especially in the arts and politics and the liberal side of it, there aren't any. We've seen corporate Australia go woke, and we've seen that with a lot of causes."What I think has also happened, which is interesting, I think it's a pendulum. All our institutions have gone left-wing, so being centre-right is counter-culture. Now, I think that will change. Should we change our minds on everything we believe just to agree with everybody? I think there's got to be certain values that you respect and say, Look, I get that people don't agree with us at the moment, we have to obviously articulate that on platforms, and in a way that we think is explaining it better."Politics is not complicated to me. You either believe in socialism, high taxes and big government, which is what the Labor Party is, or you don't; you believe more in capitalism, business and people getting ahead and being aspirational. Now, I know there's a mix of that, and there are grey areas of it with both sides, but there is a big difference."And I'll tell you one policy that I think highlights this, and I thought was one of the most scary policies of the last Parliament, and that was the Misinformation Bill. Now what was that? That was a bureaucrat, someone who sat somewhere in Canberra who said, Okay, if a social media platform puts up something that we think is misinformation, we will fine that platform or that distributor of that information millions and millions of dollars. Now, the left thinks that's a great idea because they think government knows best.The prime minister doesn't like memes of himself looking silly. This is freedom of speech we're talking about, right? The Voice was all fought on that. If you disagreed with the left on The Voice, you were sprouting misinformation. It's not misinformation. It's a difference of opinion. And that's why I lean to the centre right politics, because I think it's more into the freedom, it's more into liberties, it's more into enterprise and people having a go. And the government doesn't always know better. I don't think you can abandon those values.PETITION TO TAK 1-2 METRES OFF A FLOODMr Hogan has put forward a petition for people to sign that he can present to Jai Vaze, the lead scientist from the CSIRO, and relevant ministers, requesting that a model to take 1 to 2 metres off a flood throughout the Richmond Catchment be included in the tested scenarios. To achieve that result, Mr Hogan believes that engineering solutions will be necessary.(A crowd gathered in Woodburn to sign Kevin Hogan's petition)"Some greenies do not support engineering solutions to flood mitigation. They just want nature-based solutions, things like planting more trees or developing a wetland or stuff. And I'm not opposed to that. I think that nature-based solutions can be part of the solution, but I think for what we need to do to keep ourselves safe, we need engineering solutions as well."The CSIRO are going to come up here to really consult and ask What do you want? They can't run multiple scenarios. They can't run endless scenarios of what we would look to do. I think one of the scenarios for me, what I think is digestible and it's possible with not too much of an impact, is that we model taking up to anywhere between one to two metres off a flood across the catchment. And engineering solutions will have to be part of that.The conversation turned to protecting our local businesses in the CBD, South Lismore, North Lismore and even a few in East Lismore from another flood that overtops the levee wall or worse."I am an optimist. I'm an eternal optimist, but I would struggle to be an optimist for some of our towns and villages if we didn't do this. Because, if we had a flood again, as you say, we'd see another half of our businesses close overnight, and not come back, and that means we'd have a real problem with our future. So I think it's the most important thing on the agenda."When it comes to money, no level of government has committed at least $2 billion to fund flood mitigation solutions. Sure, there is no modelled scenario in place with which to cost, but the consensus is it will be north of $2 billion to achieve a result that is meaningful."I always thought the buyback system was flawed. If we were to have said, right at the start, we're going to look to take up to two metres off a flood, between one to two metres off a flood, we think it's going to roughly cost $2 billion. Now, having said that the 2022, event itself was a $15 billion event, so government spend far more on recovery than they do on prevention."This is flipping that a bit to flood mitigate or to make floods lower than they otherwise would be. I think that's money well spent, and means governments would be spending less on recovery going forward. So, I think we should have been talking about this a long time ago. And I thought if you'd said two or three years ago, we're going to do a model, we're going to come up with this type of scenario, if it's around 2 billion, which we think it will be, we'll commit to it now, but you're going to have to make a decision whether you stay in your home or leave, because this is going to take up to maybe, I don't know, let's call it seven years for this to happen. Then everyone could have made an informed decision and said, Am I prepared to punt and get flooded again within seven years or not. I'm making seven years up, but around that type of ballpark, or not. And I think, we could have made better informed decisions."But right now we've got a, I think, a half-bottched buyback scheme that's moving half a street. What does that solve? Some people have brought back on the floodplain. What did that solve? And as I say, our shopping areas, our industrial estates, aren't protected. So you know, flood mitigation would have resolved a lot of those issues, and some of those houses certainly would have never been brought back."Is Mr Hogan confident that the Federal and State Governments will fund a $2 billion plus flood mitigation scenario that will take 1-2 metres off a flood?"I've done a little bit of homework on this, and that's why I've been talking one to two metres, which is about $2 billion, it is a bit of a ballpark figure, and I think that's digestible. I'm hoping that's digestible for government. You can do whatever you like, right, but it becomes difficult, I think, for me to try to sell if you can take 10 meters off a flood. But the money involved in that, and the works involved in that, are going to be quite significant."But I think one to two meters, or $2 billion is sellable. And I don't think we have a future without it. And I'm very passionate about the fact that we do it, and I'm very optimistic that the model, if we get this up, the model that the CSIRO says, of how you do that, will be world class."You can sign Kevin Hogan's Flood Mitigation Petition by clicking here. He is asking that a model to take 1-2 metres off a flood is modelled by the CSIRO.To listen to the full Talking Lismore podcast, click on the link to hear it via the App or click here to listen through your PC.